ARGARET BRENNAN: Mr. President, there are roughly 31,000 Russian troops amassed on the border of Ukraine right now. What will France do if Vladimir Putin invades?
PRESIDENT MACRON: I think the situation is unacceptable, Russia, has to de-escalate. This is clear. The situation today and the level of tension at the border is absolutely counterproductive and unacceptable. We want now a political process to deal with some Ukrainian regions and to pacify- for stability and peace for Ukraine and Ukrainian people--
MARGARET BRENNAN: But Vladimir Putin has blown that off for years. And- and sanctions have not stopped him. Those diplomatic efforts have not stopped him. You yourself have referenced NATO as being "brain dead." What is actually going to stop Vladimir Putin from invading?
PRESIDENT MACRON: Look, I think what happened a few years ago when Ukraine was invaded, it's not a failure of diplomacy, it's a failure of our collective credibility vis-à-vis Russia. And I think when we put red lines, we have to make them re- respected by our people and- and the others. And I think we have to be clear and tough. It was a failure of a naive approach vis-à-vis Russia. I'm- I'm- I'm definitely in favor of discussion with Russia, with an open, quiet and respectful discussion with Russia. But I think that when we put red lines, we have to be sure to be credible and to make these red lines respected by the others.
PRESIDENT MACRON: Now in Ukraine, if we want to be efficient, we have to accelerate the diplomatic agenda and US, Europe, all of us have to be very clear vis-à-vis Russia. We will never accept a new military operations on Ukrainian soil and we have to build the way to be credible vis-à-vis that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you think that what President Biden did with sanctions will have any- make any difference to Vladimir Putin this time? Will it stop him?
PRESIDENT MACRON: I think we- we need an approach to be clear, based on- on- on- on two pillars, one dialogue and I- I fully share, as well as the willingness of your president to dialogue. And I'm sure that President Putin can be ready to reopen dialogue. But if we want a better system in terms of arms control, if we want to stabilize a lot of existing crises in the world today, we need an open and frank dialogue with Russia. On the other side we have to be clear--
MARGARET BRENNAN: So you will- will you sanction Russia if he invades?
PRESIDENT MACRON: --when- when- when we are not aligned. And I think after an unacceptable behavior, indeed, we have to sanction. This is what we did after Ukraine or after a- a series of crises which happen. And I think we have to define clear redlines with Russia.
PRESIDENT MACRON: This is the only way to be credible. I think that sanctions are not sufficient in itself, in themselves, but sanctions are part of the package.
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